The holiday season is here and in today’s episode we are talking about giving and receiving gifts in your relationship. What does this ritual mean to you and which are you more comfortable with?
George and Laurie share their thoughts and some of their favorite gifts and memories over the years. Laurie suggests that partners keep a running list of their loved ones’ likes so when it comes time to get a gift you already have ideas handy. It’s best if gifts are thoughtful and have your partner feel seen rather than buying something just because. Intentional gift-giving can spark connection and provide lasting memories.
On the other hand, gifts that don’t consider your partner or create pressure can lead to a negative cycle. What is one holiday gift or ritual that makes you feel good and inspires connection? Share with us on our instagram page!
We wish all our listeners a happy holiday season and thank you for your continued support! We hope you continue to listen in the new year and celebrate as we transition to our new brand Brave Love, Great Sex! Keep it hot and ho, ho, ho, y’all!
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Transcript
George (00:09.268)
It’s that time of year, everyone. Time to give some gifts. Let’s do it.
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:16.705)
Yeah, this is the season of love, the season of gift giving and we got to help some people out there.
George, we have, the other thing, just for the record, George, we have to do an episode totally devoted to our new name, okay? We’ll do that next, or at some point today. Because we wanna start the new year with that. Okay, so it’s gift giving season, and you I know a lot of people who receive gifts as their love language.
George (00:35.47)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:54.083)
That’s kind of what they do. And I think other people think, well, that’s kind of selfish. It’s like you want stuff. You you want, you’re like a gimme, gimme, gimme kind of person. But I really think that the beauty of a gift is that it’s a tangible object and it represents the love of our partner when our partner is not with us. It’s kind of like the blankie, right? The transitional object that a child has.
a soft, silky blanket or something that they hold onto when their mother isn’t present. And I think a gift, a ring, that’s why we give rings at a wedding. It’s a symbol of our love. And I think oftentimes for some people gift giving is like a symbol of love. What do you think? Do you like to give gifts? I think you do, right?
George (01:44.494)
I like to give gifts. think it’s, you like giving? Do you like receiving? Do you like both? Trying to get as specific as possible. know, I, I, so I do think the thought that goes into it, the excitement of seeing somebody opening up and like something or you get something that you like. mean, those are kind of cool moments.
Laurie Watson, PhD (01:52.416)
Uh-huh.
Laurie Watson, PhD (02:07.253)
And do you like, I know you like to give gifts. Do you like to get gifts? Is that important to you?
George (02:12.91)
I’m not so great at, you know, like I think of my son, my youngest son, Dylan, like even if the gift’s not great, he loves the gift. He’s just like, he’s fun. Like it’s so much fun to give him a gift, right? I’m more like, I kind of don’t like this. It’s not the right color. Like I don’t want to do that, but somehow my body winds up doing it. So I don’t know if I’m so great, but you know, when I do get a gift, that is kind of really what I’m looking for. mean, I.
That’s, that’s, I’ll never forget. don’t know. My, my aunt. Who wasn’t famous for giving good gifts at all. And you know, gave me the star Wars, like Battlestar, Galactica, whatever, like space station thing that, and it was just like the greatest gift I ever got. I just want to stay in my room for like a week with that gift. So that I can still think about that, you know, 50 years later is shows.
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:03.375)
George (03:09.41)
the power of a gift to make an emotional impact on people. So I do hear what you’re saying as far as, you know, it can be bonding, but it also can be pretty pressurizing, right? We live in such a commercial society. It’s like, what do I get this person?
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:21.123)
Sure.
But don’t you think that that gift was such a, made such an impact on you because you were really seen, you know, like she thought about what you loved, what you liked, you know, you were a kid who probably needed a gift. I mean, your family didn’t have as much money, so it might not have been as easy to, or, you know, to get a lot of gifts like that. And she thought about it and she like hit your heart with that. I mean, that’s the ultimate.
George (03:50.702)
I think gifts are great way to tap into longings. That longing to be seen, to be kind of wanted, to be loved, to be safe, whatever it does, it really can tap into that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:56.184)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (04:06.157)
Yeah, my favorite gift was I was probably early 20s and I had a, I always had guy friends and this guy friend who, you know, I probably occasionally had crushes on him, but we were truly friends. He gave me a buck knife and then he taught me how to open it one handed. And I mean, to me, it was sort of like he saw that still the emerging woman, but still the tomboy part of me.
that kind of liked that sort of stuff. And I think he was my confidant. I talked to him about boys. And he kind of nailed the fact that I was in transition, leaving this sort girlhood part that was rough and ready to become the young woman. And I don’t know, it just, it always struck me as somehow or another he knew me. And that was one of my all time favorite gifts.
George (05:03.199)
Nice. I never see the tomboy part of you. Yeah, what is that?
Laurie Watson, PhD (05:06.635)
You don’t. It’s she’s she’s gone. No, no, she’s actually still present. I like, you know, I think she comes out hiking and climbing and things like that. Yeah.
George (05:17.525)
Okay. I want to see it bust out that buck knife.
Laurie Watson, PhD (05:21.611)
Okay, I’ll show you. can still open it one handed, It will give me a switchblade. But I think, you know, we want to help people think about the meaning behind gifts. you know, there’s there is, like you said, some pressure, you know, when our partner is expecting the gift to nail it and we’re like, my gosh, I don’t know what to do. I don’t know how to make them happy.
George (05:24.789)
Nice. We won’t give you a switchblade.
Laurie Watson, PhD (05:51.439)
Do you have gifts right now for Kathy that you are like, OK, this is going to make her happy? Oh, nice. Don’t tell us, because we’ve got a surprise for her. Kathy.
George (05:56.715)
I do.
Not that she listens, I won’t say anything. I mean, to me that’s easier when you, you know, you got some time. I used to wait till the last minute, which was never great. And, you know, run around and CVS wouldn’t actually have everything you’re looking for. So.
Laurie Watson, PhD (06:14.127)
Not smart.
Laurie Watson, PhD (06:18.793)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I gave Derek tickets to the Chiefs last year. Yeah, because he’s into the Chiefs.
George (06:24.546)
Nice.
Was he, is he a gift receiver?
Laurie Watson, PhD (06:30.869)
He’s a really good gift receiver. Yeah. I’m going to like you. I’m not as good of a receiver. You know, I think, you know, I’m maybe not as enthusiastic. I think too, I feel conflicted. Like when my kids give me beautiful gifts, you know, I, my daughter-in-law gives me beautiful gifts. And like, all I can think about is, I wish she hadn’t spent this much money on it.
It’s like I want my kids to spend money on themselves, not on me. But she’s really, really thoughtful. And yeah, I need to just let that go and be appreciative, I think.
George (07:11.694)
It’s something good to explore. Why do we get more joy out of giving than receiving? I am not as materialistic. don’t need that generally as much in my life.
Laurie Watson, PhD (07:17.036)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (07:23.651)
Mm-hmm.
George (07:25.612)
I, it’s tough. always, you got a relative or a friend that has everything. And it’s like, spent days trying to think about something. Kathy and I do this with one person and like, come up with all these ideas. Like, no, no, no, but like, God, this is so much work to just come up with one damn gift.
Laurie Watson, PhD (07:31.087)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (07:38.799)
So true. Is it easy for you to come up with gifts for your boys?
George (07:51.103)
We usually do make it easier by having some lists. So you kind of know what people are looking for and then some, some flexibility there, but you know, it’s fun. It’s actually my house growing up Christmas is him eight kids. was a mad house. You’d have all these presents and it’d be all opened at the same time in like three minutes. It’s over. Yeah. I really liked Cathy’s tradition. Like she, one gift at a time and it takes hours to do.
Laurie Watson, PhD (07:54.295)
Mm-hmm.
George (08:18.808)
Christmas morning in our house now. It’s, kind of a, it’s a fun day.
Laurie Watson, PhD (08:23.127)
Yeah, but that madness of wrapping paper everywhere and all the excitement, that’s kind of fun too. Both extremes. Yeah, we… It’s a long process. We have always opened stocking gifts, of, Pell-Mell, you know, like whatever, just rip open your stocking gifts. And those are really thoughtful gifts. Everybody puts a little bit of energy into that.
George (08:29.858)
Yeah, I’ve had both extremes, I guess. How about you? Is it a long process or a quick process?
Laurie Watson, PhD (08:51.671)
and then we open the other gifts kind of one at a time. So this year, of course, more fun because my grandchildren are old enough to maybe not understand gift giving yet, but they’re kind of old enough to understand the excitement of Christmas. So that’ll be really fun.
George (09:01.229)
I you guess.
Laurie Watson, PhD (09:11.823)
I gotta say, small children, absolutely the joy of all that magic, all the activities and all the wonder. My grandson came in and saw his own Christmas tree and he kept saying, whoa, whoa. Because the lights were flickering and he was just like, whoa. It was just so cute. Yeah. Yeah.
George (09:35.086)
Yeah, the wonder, the curiosity, that’s the green brain stuff we got to hold on to. Cause when you’re just looking at the work and the cleanup, you know, they make fun of me. I’ll follow it with the bag as they unwrap things, try to put the garbage away. It’s we get more chore focused than the wow factor. Kids are so good at that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (09:53.231)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So true. I heard this one story about a boy who was mentally disabled, and they gave him a gift of a toy with batteries. And the first part of the gift was opening the batteries. And he was just like, wow, wow, wow. It was like being able to receive this was, you he just, he got it. Talk about giving somebody something that.
you know, everything is joyful. was really wonderful. Because I imagine raising children who have deep issues, pervasive issues can be problematic, but there’s those moments where there’s simple joy in receiving a gift. It must be so beautiful.
George (10:41.558)
I’m going to try that this year. It’s not faking it, right? It’s a mindset shift. It’s just trying to say, hey, listen, people have put thought into this and it don’t have to be practical. It might be the wrong color, but it’s just the idea that somebody’s thinking about you, which is really nice.
Laurie Watson, PhD (10:56.461)
Yeah. It’s funny, Kathy, I see little things all over the place that I think about, because we’ve traveled with you and Kathy and I have shopped together. And so whenever I’m out shopping, I often see little things like, that’d be a Kathy thing. She seems very easy to me to shop for because she has lots of interests. She’s so creative, too.
George (11:20.462)
She’s also a good gift giver. She puts a lot of thought into and she deals with it months in advance. I think the good gift givers, they have better timelines too, They’re not waiting till the last minute.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:22.511)
Mm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:27.759)
Mmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:33.303)
Yeah. Yeah, I think if I could help anybody, it’s like, you know, keep a list somewhere that’s secret. And when you’re out with your partner and they say, I like this, I like that, just like put it on the list, even if it’s not the item that you come back to, it’s like over time, you kind of get a sense of what they like.
George (11:59.597)
And we got to get into sex and gift given, you know, if you give something that you like, is that really a gift? I would love to give a lot of gifts or, know, or is the gifts about what the other person really wants.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:59.599)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:09.625)
You
right? Stocking stuff for handcuffs, things like that, right? Yeah, I think Christmas for sex. Let’s come back and talk about Christmas and sex and how we can practically help people with this.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:33.369)
So I would say, Christmas and sex, first of all, obviously, if it’s a private gift, make sure that it’s given so they’re not opening it in front of the children or the family or something like that, right? But we have to make that tease. Yeah.
George (12:48.33)
unless you want to have a little bit of a sex ed moment. Sometimes kids need to know a little bit more about this stuff, but that’s a conversation for another day.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:58.191)
Well, I think kids need to know that parents have a private life and that, you know, parents, you know, are attracted to each other and having sex. We don’t want them to see us having sex, but we want them to feel that sexual energy. You know, I think that that sets for them a pattern that says, okay, this is what marriage is all about. This is what partnership is all about, is that sexual energy. You know, it’s very exciting.
George (13:27.022)
It’s fun when my son’s being older and being in relationships. Like I find myself talking more about that openly in front of them, which I think, you know, I think it’s healthy to open up a space. Timing has to be right. But it does make it easier to…
talk about these things. I this is an important part of a relationship. It’s what we’re both passionate about. You know, if I’m going to bring that part of me in my relationships, you know, you got to be willing to talk about some things and obviously respect. Is that what other people want to talk about?
Laurie Watson, PhD (13:51.299)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (13:58.444)
Exactly.
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:02.927)
Sure, Yeah, I know I think as our children start to get into relationships, it’s absolutely appropriate to start talking a little bit more about how important it is or making jokes that make it fun and all of that. But I mean, golly, you’ve always made jokes in front of your kids.
George (14:27.566)
Yeah, I’m not sure if I, when I was a kid, would want my parents making those jokes. So who knows, right? Or all he’s screwing his thing up.
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:34.319)
Yeah, I have to tell on you. When I met your youngest son, he was like 13, 14, maybe 14. And George introduces me, you know, this is Lori Watson. She’s my podcast co-host and she’s a sex therapist. And Dylan, do you know where the clitoris is? That was my first line with your son. I’m like, oh my God, he’s gonna hate me.
George (14:59.214)
All right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (15:01.879)
like
George (15:03.244)
That was probably too fast. I was out in front wasn’t I, Laurie?
Laurie Watson, PhD (15:07.471)
I’m like, but more recently, I think the last time I was up there in December, he and I had a conversation. He’s a delightful kid, really, really personable and wonderful. And I had a conversation with Christian along the line too, somewhere much earlier, but he was just so curious and interested and not necessarily curious about sex or anything, but just about me. And he was really personable and…
George (15:30.22)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (15:34.933)
and warm. I found him so warm. you’re doing a great job, man. You are doing a good job. Well, you know, and I have boys, so I get it with boys, but you and Kathy are really good parents. And I hope that Christmas is lovely for you. Back to sex and back to sex and Christmas and gift giving. I think
George (15:39.374)
You caught them on a good day, I guess. Not those moody, moody days.
George (15:56.729)
Same here, yes, God willing.
Laurie Watson, PhD (16:04.441)
Probably it needs to be fairly attuned. I don’t think that those gifts at holidays are the moment to stretch our partner. That’s not the nipple clamp gift. Not time for that one. Maybe the bath oil that says, hey, maybe with a note, let’s take a bath together later or.
George (16:13.975)
Yep.
George (16:18.67)
you
Laurie Watson, PhD (16:31.043)
massage oil, you know, with an offer of a slow massage or candles. I cannot get enough candles. Candles are it. You know, because they set the mood. To me, walking into my bedroom, a dark bedroom with candles lit, I’m there. It’s a mood setter.
George (16:51.488)
Nice. Derek knows that. That’s an easy one. All right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (16:53.005)
Yep, easy. He knows that, yeah. He lights the candle and he puts on the music.
George (17:03.852)
And then he starts to dance.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:06.063)
and he starts to dance. That works too. Absolutely. How about for you any ideas about sex and gift giving?
George (17:16.526)
I’m still stuck on, you know, I don’t, it’s kind of like giving my wife a vacuum cleaner because we need one. It’s like, you know, sometimes gifts are functional, but if you want to have that impact, I think the person really got to want that gift and you know, your partner, know, if you’re getting handcuffs because you think that would be fun, but it actually puts pressure on them and it’s not so fun. It’s probably not such a great gift.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:29.422)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:34.127)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:44.439)
Yeah, that’s gonna kinda destroy the moment, right? It’s not being seen. We want our gifts to be, know, have the person feel seen if at all possible.
George (17:48.11)
All
George (17:58.895)
Yep. And if you’re a sexual withdraw, you know, you might not want a sexual gift on Christmas. You might even might want it on a Friday and like, Hey, I was thinking about it last night. Here it is. Right. But Christmas might not be the right time because that’s again, that could feed to the negative cycle. Right. It’s if it feels like pressure and then you don’t engage. Right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:59.159)
Yeah, my best.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:05.689)
That’s true. That’s very true.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:12.419)
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:18.295)
It feels like pressure. Like even on Christmas, even on Christmas, you’re still thinking all you’re thinking about is sex. my gosh.
George (18:28.472)
But then you not engaging rejects the pursuer. And now like, that’s the problem. Like we’re just trying to have fun here. It’s Christmas, it’s gift given time and you don’t like it. And then here we go. Now we’re fighting on Christmas day.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:39.471)
yeah, definitely. Sex gifts, gotta be really careful with those so that they’re not bombs. Okay, well, I think…
George (18:44.984)
So what do you got here with all these sex gifts?
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:51.439)
Can we think of any sex gift that is safe? I think massage oil, know, those kinds of gifts that are just about sensuality. Candles, massage oil, that’s pretty safe. Anything else that we could, I mean, I think a blanket is safe. Like a warm blanket, that’s a pretty safe gift.
Laurie Watson, PhD (19:16.237)
You know, like I want you to stay warm and cozy or how about, you know, can’t wait to curl up with you and watch a Christmas movie and stay in this blanket with you. You know, it’s essential.
George (19:27.958)
It’s a wonderful life, it’s not so sexy though, is it?
Laurie Watson, PhD (19:31.279)
How about love actually? just watched it again like two nights ago. That’s my favorite Christmas movie. It might be one of my favorite movies altogether. It’s all the different types of love. I just love that. love that movie. Makes me cry every single time.
George (19:48.802)
Nice.
Laurie Watson, PhD (19:49.742)
Yeah.
You got a favorite Christmas movie?
George (19:56.121)
I like the old cartoons, Rudolph and Frosty and Touch the Little Kid Back in Me Again.
Laurie Watson, PhD (20:04.751)
That’s very sweet, George. Very sweet. I think if you’re going to be, if you’re going to put energy into gift giving, kind of one of my recommendations is to think about it as an annual sort of event. So if you’re going to call the florist to send your partner, you know, a Christmas bouquet,
Tell the florist, like, let’s set up automatic deliveries on my wife’s birthday, anniversary, the first date anniversary. Send that holiday bouquet that says you’re my favorite time of year. if romance and gift giving is hard for you, think about it a little more systematically so that you, it goes on autopilot. Once you’ve done it once, it never mattered. doesn’t, you don’t have to do it again. It does matter.
you never have to do it again. I mean, I also think that the research kind of shows, and this is my personal research, that small intentional gifts are way better than a big expensive one. It’s just the thoughtfulness. Like if you go to Target and buy her favorite candy bar, the cozy gloves, the bath oil for that sensuous gift, or the bird watching notebook, or two little candles, and maybe
George (21:10.958)
.
Laurie Watson, PhD (21:32.629)
Even an inexpensive holiday earrings kind of tucked into the toe of the stocking, that’s something that hits. It’s like, matter. You thought about me. These little things are important. I would definitely say if your partner is the gift giver of the family, make sure their stocking is full.
Thank
George (21:52.487)
Isn’t that ironic the person who gives the most gift usually receives the least right because they’re the one putting all that effort in so yes, I think There’s some wisdom in that
Laurie Watson, PhD (21:57.039)
That’s very true. Yeah.
George (22:06.922)
thoughtfulness I Mean some people may go for thoughtfulness by just buying big ticket items, right? Spending a lot of money, you know, but sometimes that is nice, but it doesn’t check that box
Laurie Watson, PhD (22:15.416)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (22:21.335)
Right. And I just think it’s, know, thoughtfulness if you’re not that sort of spontaneous and thoughtful. Like I honestly don’t have time anymore to shop at all. I I literally in my week don’t have time to go to the grocery store, don’t have time to get to Target. But when I do, if I do, then that’s the time I also like buy the little things and I go buy the cards.
and try to stock up so that I have everybody’s birthday cards and anniversary cards and I just do it all at once. And I would highly recommend if you’re shopping for stocking stuffers, little things, know, pick up the cards too. It’s the Christmas, my Christmas love, you know, card and all the other things.
George (23:13.848)
Yeah, that’s the spirit of, so I like Hanukkah. You have so many days to share these gifts. It’s stretched out over time, right? Whatever your tradition, but really just taking some time. We know the benefits of gratitude. And to me, that’s always this season, right? It always reminds me of the bigger picture.
Laurie Watson, PhD (23:20.665)
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
George (23:33.601)
all the blessings that we have, even though there’s challenges and struggles, but just take a moment to remind each other how important you are. Like all the attachment stuff that we talk about, that’s the bedrock of relationships. Like we get to be more intentional. We get to slow down, you know, so sometimes the way we get lost in the noise and the chaos and the pressures and all that, but really
Laurie Watson, PhD (23:43.384)
Mm-hmm.
George (23:55.555)
just step out of it and remind ourselves why we’re doing it in the first place. This is love, right? This is about celebrating love in the most direct way possible.
Laurie Watson, PhD (24:01.944)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and I think if your partner’s love language is more about time, you can kind of mark that with, ironically, a gift. Maybe it’s a coupon that says, let’s go for a walk and look at the lights around our neighborhood or.
you know, here’s a, I’m going to take you out to dinner during this season to our favorite place. Or maybe you say, hey, you know, I’m like coming home from work. Could you just meet me at the local Italian restaurant and we’ll have a cocktail together. Or, or maybe it’s, you know, we sneak away in the midst of all the chaos and we have just a morning coffee date. I highly recommend you do this if you’re at the relatives for the holidays that, you know, one day
You tell mom and dad or your sister, like, look, we got to run out and get a couple of things and just go with your partner and sit and have some coffee together so that you’re alone in the midst of all the relative pressure and you can debrief how it feels to be with the relatives and what’s happening at Christmas. And because, you know, there’s so many expectations, it’s like you need to come back home to each other. So, I mean, I think that sometimes that sense of connection beats the clutter of all the gifts that
and definitely I think spending time together intentionally really helps and is a big huge gift.
George (25:30.06)
It’s where, yeah, it’s where rituals also help, right? Building rituals into the season. Like we always fight Cathy when she wants to take that picture, you know, the Christmas picture. yet, you know, she has a book of all the years of the pictures that we could sit down and just watch year after year and how we’ve changed and grown and, know, just having some of these rituals and you’re going to have the, whatever the food is, you know, the prayer or the, just.
Laurie Watson, PhD (25:34.648)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (25:42.957)
Yeah.
George (26:00.279)
I really look forward more as I get older to some of these rituals and how that creates these shared memories, these shared expectations that you could just go through the Rolodex of time in your mind and they just kind of, these rituals pop up.
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:03.823)
Hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:14.455)
Yeah. You know, I got your card. It’s a beautiful, beautiful picture. She did not make you go out into the truck in the cold this year. you still are doing that?
George (26:22.642)
We still are. Yeah, that was a wedding. So I thought we got away with one and she’s like, no, you didn’t. We’re still doing it. We were like, no. We’re always glad afterwards. What’s your ritual?
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:29.359)
We did it at Thanksgiving. We took pictures with all the babies and all this stuff. The babies are crying because it’s so freaking cold. I don’t know. But it’s fun and I think we’ll be glad as we grow. I didn’t do that with my kids growing up, but definitely going to do it with the grandkids. So very fun. Very fun. my ritual is…
George (26:53.93)
Nice. Well, they’re to be lucky having that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:59.531)
sex under the Christmas tree. It’s like we gotta do that once. know, yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe not right under the tree, but next to the tree. You know, our tree is kind of in this one little room and then the fireplace is right there. So it’s very cozy. But to me, it’s like…
George (27:05.036)
You do that every year? Nice.
George (27:19.308)
know a lot of sexual pursuers are like, yeehaw, let’s do this. Sexual pursuers are like, no, he’s by the Christmas tree, but let’s see.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:22.735)
Yeah, no, that’s just a tradition. I like that. It’s the most festive and cozy and fun.
George (27:32.706)
That’s cool.
We’ll listen everyone. This is the time of year to, we’re thankful for you, all our listeners and give us feedback and your engagement. We’re hoping to continue this mission of spreading the value of love and communicating directly. And we have a lot of confidence when couples are having these types of conversations. Just because we grew up not having them doesn’t mean we should continue to pass that along. So we wanna just thank you all.
Laurie Watson, PhD (28:03.125)
Absolutely. And we’re grateful for your love, your notes of support. We’re grateful for your financial support for many of you and grateful for you following us as we go into the new year with our new name, Brave Love, Great Sex. And we hope that you will receive our gift of care for you and our love for you. Thanks for listening.
George (28:29.474)
Keep it hot, y’all.
