Welcome Brave Lovers! In this week’s episode, Laurie is joined by guest Juliane Maxwald. Juliane is a psychotherapist based in NYC and shares with us great insight from her book; Psychoanalytic Sex Therapy: Exploring the Unconscious Life of Sexuality.
Listen in for this great conversation on integrating depth psychology and behavioral therapy. Taking what we know about ourselves and moving it into action! Our therapist listeners will love this episode, but couples alike will be encouraged when Juliane dives into sexual fantasies and ways to discuss them with your partner.
For more information on Juliane visit www.julianemaxwald.com and grab a copy of her book. Link included on our instagram!
Transcript
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:03.042)
Okay, have you ever been curious about what low desire is also telling us about our partner or about ourselves? I have Julianne Maxwell with me today. She’s an author. She’s a psychoanalyst, certified relationship and sex therapist based in New York City. And we are so glad to have you with us. She has published a book called Psychoanalytic Sex Therapy. And Julianne, would you tell us the subtitle on that?
Juliane Maxwald (00:32.699)
Yes, the subtitle is Exploring the Unconscious Life of Sexuality.
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:38.04)
Okay, welcome Julianne.
Juliane Maxwald (00:40.061)
Thank you. So nice to be here.
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:43.31)
Julianne, I am so excited to talk with you because when I read your blurb to come onto the podcast, I was like, we really need to understand these things because I think sexual withdrawing doesn’t always make sense. Why is somebody not interested? Why do they have low libido? Sex is so much fun. And I think for partners who see sex as an enjoyable kind
pleasure-filled connection place. This just blows our minds. And so I want you to help us kind of understand what the book is about and especially about low libido and what it might be signaling to us. Where would you like to start? Yeah.
Juliane Maxwald (01:26.215)
Yeah, absolutely. We’ll just jump right in. This book really is a book about exploring the unconscious life of sexuality. And what does that mean? It basically means that what I see is sex is never really just about sex. It really never just is a sexual problem. It’s much deeper than that, right? There’s so many different layers to it.
Laurie Watson, PhD (01:38.114)
Yeah. Yes.
Laurie Watson, PhD (01:49.454)
Sure. Sure.
Juliane Maxwald (01:54.093)
And so this book is really about exploring what those deeper layers are. And it’s written for clinicians to have a better understanding, a framework or guide in understanding all the different layers and how to work with them. Because anyone who works with couples in general, but especially couples who present with sexual problems, it can get very complex. The conflict can get very high. The pain, the frustration, the vulnerability, it’s all right there on the table.
Laurie Watson, PhD (01:58.606)
Mm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (02:22.252)
Yeah, absolutely. And we have a lot of EFT therapists who listen to us, but we also have kind of a group who listens, who is also curious about what you have to say just about the complications of what underlies sex inside of us.
Juliane Maxwald (02:24.211)
Yeah.
Juliane Maxwald (02:40.849)
Yes, absolutely. And what I found having a psychoanalytic background is people who are well versed in the depth psychology or the psychoanalytic piece often feel stuck with the behavioral piece, how to move things forward in a behavioral way. And so this book also really is an integration of those two models or treatment formats, while also
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:05.185)
Nice.
Juliane Maxwald (03:09.211)
What I discovered along the way is that trauma-informed care and somatic work for me has really transformed the way that I work with my clients and has really helped in just opening up and resolving so many issues around sex and sexuality.
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:26.638)
Absolutely. Could you give us kind of an example of a pretend client who has internal conflicts about sex, maybe presents with low libido, but what’s really going on underneath?
Juliane Maxwald (03:42.439)
Yeah, sure. Gosh, there’s so many. I’m trying to think of a good example. Well, I mean, often what happens is, especially if I’m working with couples, they’ll come in and there’ll be one person who’s sort of the identified problem, the person who is feeling shut down or who’s feeling disconnected from their libido or their desire.
And oftentimes what happens is there’s a real focus on how do we fix this? What can we do about it? Right, exactly. And oftentimes the person has internalized that as well. Like what’s wrong with me? Why don’t I want to have sex? I see this a lot with couples who are engaged or who are dating or who are newer in their relationship. They just feel like, you know, we’re kind of doomed to
Laurie Watson, PhD (04:18.924)
Right. What’s wrong with you that you don’t want sex? Right.
Right? Yeah.
Juliane Maxwald (04:41.309)
from the start if we can’t get this fixed or resolved. So the first thing I always do is just try to normalize this experience and then begin exploring in a wider sense what’s going on in their relationship because desire doesn’t really exist outside of the ecosystem.
of an emotional and relational system. It really doesn’t exist outside of the relationship.
Laurie Watson, PhD (05:15.232)
Right. There’s two parts, right, the emotional connection and the sexual connection. And they’re always there’s like a title force on each other, right? They’re each pulling at each other and impacting the behavior of the couple and the feelings of the couple.
Juliane Maxwald (05:31.045)
Yes, exactly. And then to complicate things even more, our attachment patterns, our emotional blueprints, all of that comes really from our family of origin and our early experiences. And so that’s really the depth psychology piece, which is also understanding the current system, the current relationship, but also who are these two individual people and what are the emotional group blueprints.
that they’re bringing to this system. So there’s multiple things going on here all at once.
Laurie Watson, PhD (06:07.246)
I, when I was studying, somebody said, you know, there’s like six people in bed, the couple, their parents, you know, there could be seven or eight these days with marriages and remarriages of our parents. And yes.
Juliane Maxwald (06:18.897)
Right, absolutely, absolutely. So it’s really looking at all of those things while also focusing on working on the behavioral piece as well. It’s not just the insight, it’s not just looking at the system, but also working on the behavioral piece as well.
Laurie Watson, PhD (06:42.038)
Yeah, so a couple might come to you and you see their low libido as or their low desire as a signal for something. They’re emotionally avoiding something. I think that that’s one of the things I’ve come to with sexual withdrawals, especially when there’s like in a male, perhaps adequate testosterone. All things go, you know, and maybe he’s avoidant.
emotionally but also sexually but you know maybe masturbates and has sexual desire but kind of can’t seem to bring that into the partnership you know keeps it outside with porn and masturbation or you know just it’s too intimate to be sexual with their partner help us understand that
Juliane Maxwald (07:32.573)
Yeah, right. So much of that really is about vulnerability and feeling comfortable enough to be vulnerable in a sexual experience. I’m thinking about a couple or a potential couple where that might be the case, where pornography, like for example,
desire and arousal and even erection can happen in pornography, but it’s not as easy in partnered sex. And so much about that could be the lack of control. It’s much harder to be in the moment and the nuance of your partner’s body and their needs and their arousal and their desire without a, feeling a lot of pressure around performance.
feeling. I mean, we all know that when we’re in our head, we can’t really be in our body and anxiety and shame and fear are huge blockers for desire in the moment.
Laurie Watson, PhD (08:39.392)
Right. Absolutely. So what would you, as you explored that with the person, what do you hope, you know, gives you kind of the leverage to help them become more vulnerable so that they can have partnered sex?
Juliane Maxwald (08:56.509)
Well, usually, you know, at that point, I’m just wanting to take a lot of historical information. Like, tell me a little bit about your sexual history. Like, let’s start from the beginning. You know, when did you first start masturbating? What was your first sexual memory? What was early sexual activity like for you? What I find, especially among men, certainly in today’s
generation, but even, you know, 10, 20 years prior, is that most men have a very extensive relationship with masturbation and pornography. Women too, but I think men even more so. And so what, for example, what is their relationship with pornography? What has it been? And what is the pattern around it? I mean, I find that there’s a lot of men who
are used to having ejaculations through pornography and masturbation. And so they’re just used to a certain pressure, a certain pace, a certain style. They’re used to a lot of visual stimulation that doesn’t necessarily happen in partnered sex. And so even just having those conversations around what was your early sex?
experience, you know, what were your early sexual experiences and do you see any connection between that and some of the problems you’re having? And then usually for the partner, for the female partner, it’s just so fascinating to hear. And there’s so much of an opportunity there to also just provide psychoeducation to both partners around sex and sexuality and fantasy and touch and arousal and desire. I mean, there’s just
so much information that people don’t get that, you know, I certainly didn’t get that most people don’t get that I find couples are just incredibly hungry for and incredibly grateful for.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:00.374)
Yeah, absolutely. That psych-wide piece is so important and I think
It is fascinating to hear your partner open up about their sexual history and their sexual experience. And it sounds like that’s kind of where you’re going to help them discover themselves. I also see, you know, couples maybe where the partner feels under threat by that. It’s like, wow, you love visual stimulation. And am I visual enough for you? Is any one person visual enough for you? And, you know, it can actually escalate the conflict
and this, you know, the sense of, in the partner of frustration, fear. how do you deal with the partner who is listening to this kind of history and then taking stock of their sexuality in the past?
Juliane Maxwald (11:55.441)
Right, that’s a great question. And it becomes really an opportunity in the therapy, in the treatment room, to sort of see how each person gets activated and in what ways, you know, is it stimulating to hear your partner talk about their sexual history? In what ways is it threatening? And what does it bring up for you? And so I think the therapist or myself, I’m always,
paying attention to what’s happening with both people’s nervous systems. Like how threatening, how stimulating, overstimulating is the system and how am I working with that? Right, and so how am I working with that?
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:47.414)
Yeah, yeah. And you’ve said that.
pornography, fantasy, sometimes people are using that not just for pure sexual reasons, but really to self-regulate. I knew one man who said that he used porn to motivate. It was kind of a twist on it, but he would use it, he would feel bad about using it, and then he would have this kind of anger at himself that would fuel his motivation to go and get stuff done. mean, the way people
encounter sexual feelings and use those sexual feelings is just endless and fascinating. What do you see in terms of how that might be about earlier patterns or?
Juliane Maxwald (13:37.787)
Yes, absolutely. I think in part that really speaks to how much shame is embedded in sexuality and how that shame manifests itself. I work with many, many people who feel a tremendous amount of shame around all kinds of sexual fantasies or sexual behaviors. Pornography is a great example, or even any kind of sexual
compulsive kind of behavior or even something that’s not compulsive, but it might be a masturbation preference. I’m thinking of one woman who really enjoyed the way that water felt on her clitoris. And so she had this kind of elaborate masturbation practice where she would lie in the bathtub and angle her body in this one.
you know, specific way, but she had so much shame around it. I mean, she just felt like, you know, there was something wrong with her. And she would stop that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:41.644)
Yeah, I actually hear that all the time, the jacuzzi jets. It’s sort of like a vibrator on the clitoris that women use. But this woman had tremendous shame over using that. Yeah.
Juliane Maxwald (14:46.68)
All right.
Right.
Juliane Maxwald (14:54.003)
Tremendous thing right exactly you also see this with parents I mean I work with a fair amount of Parents to especially new parents and they might be mortified when they see their children You know rubbing up against a piece of furniture or rubbing it up against a strap of their stroller or something, you know Exploring their body or just noticing certain sensations and and the internalized shame and fear that there’s something wrong with their child or you know that they’re
Laurie Watson, PhD (15:21.942)
Right, right.
Yeah, children exploring their sensuous aspects of their body is not the same thing as adult sexuality. And it’s very normal. It’s very sensation based. about sexual. I mean, it is sexual feelings, that’s true. But it is not about sharing sex or anything to worry about. Like your child is going to be promiscuous because they like sex early. All children, I mean, our genitals are designed to feel good, right? And they’re just discovering that.
Juliane Maxwald (15:55.047)
Right, exactly, right, exactly. I also find, especially with pornography or masturbation, the link to fantasies and desires that really scare or threaten people, especially if there’s some kind of taboo or some kind of transgressive quality to them. And so I find that also can…
And if somebody, the problem with shame is that shame and sexuality can often link to arousal. And so there is this system, what you were describing, whereas somebody might feel completely aroused by something that also creates a lot of shame in them. And then that layer of secrecy adds to the compulsive piece of it. And it, and it becomes
it sort of turns into this self-fulfilling prophecy almost where the shame reinforces the arousal, the arousal reinforces the shame, that both of those things contribute to isolation. And it’s amazing how just giving people permission to talk about these things and to explore it with them in a way that’s very sort of neutral and curious and…
and neutralizing really just provides so much healing in and of itself. Just having a forum where people can talk about things and have their experiences normalized in and of itself is incredibly healing.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:36.204)
Yeah, exactly. think, you we’re all, we all have little parts inside, right, that have received messages about our sexuality, you know, from the culture, from our families’ origin, pieces that are hidden and…
I think it’s such a different experience to just kind of lay that out in front of somebody and have them listen to you and care about you in that experience of talking about it. It’s like, it is so healing to just be able to kind of get that all out there and talk about it. And I do as well see that the shame piece can kind of fuel behaviors that get compulsive. And so
If they’re not hidden and we can talk about them, then we can kind of understand them, make sense of them in terms of our relationship, in terms of our history. That’s beautiful work. Really neat.
Juliane Maxwald (18:36.135)
Right. Right. And fantasy is so if you approach it in that way, like I love to approach fantasy in particular, but sex in general, the same way, you know, like a classic psychoanalyst might interpret dreams, which is really these are just portals into who we are on the most deepest level of where we come from, of who we are, what our longings are, what our fears are. And so bringing that kind of curiosity
to fantasy or to sex in general, I think is a wonderful gift to give our clients. And it’s something I think more and more therapists are being introduced to sex and sexuality in the work that they do. finding the language, going through supervision, getting specialized training, reading a book, whatever it is,
Increasing your clinical skill to include sex and sexuality, I think is also just a really important shift that’s happening in the mental health field as more and more people, as our culture in large is just talking about sex in a more nuanced, meaningful way.
Laurie Watson, PhD (19:53.43)
Yeah, I hope so.
Juliane Maxwald (19:55.1)
haha
Laurie Watson, PhD (19:55.286)
Because it’s so important, right, to who we are as individuals, who we are in relationship. It’s deeply important. Although I will say, you know, I live in the South and here there’s a lot of fear about this idea of fantasy. You know, like if I fantasize, you know, maybe it’s kind of the religious surroundings that we’re at, fantasy can be viewed as, you know, a worry about acting.
on your sexual impulse, a worry about being unfaithful to your partner, a worry about, you know, doing something that would be bad. Could you kind of speak to that, like how you see fantasy and…
Juliane Maxwald (20:42.109)
Right, well, I think that’s a really great point and it kind of ties into what you were saying earlier that especially if you’re working with a couple, if you’re hearing about your partner’s fantasy that might be a little taboo or might involve, you know, the opposite gender or whatever it is, it can feel very threatening because that
line between fantasy and doing or fantasy and action can feel blurry to couples or to even individuals. Yeah, and so again, like normalizing, it very clear that fantasy doesn’t equal action, that fantasy…
you know, is really a creative process that our minds come up with to make sense of or manage or resolve all kinds of emotional conflicts or unconscious messages.
Laurie Watson, PhD (21:58.126)
I remember a client who fantasized about herself watching her husband and another woman have sex.
and the other woman was kind of a tigress. And this was pure imagination. she was excited by the watching, and she was also just kind of titillated by her husband responding to this tigress. And at some point I said, you are the author of that tigress.
You know, that is a part of the self that you’re playing with in your mind because she was a sexual withdrawer. She did not really enjoy sex that much. But this fantasy was kind of an inlet into the erotic place in her that was very alive and did have strength and passion.
Juliane Maxwald (22:32.582)
Hmm.
Juliane Maxwald (22:58.141)
Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Similar with dreams, this idea that every single person in your sexual fantasy or every single person in your dream is really just a reflection of a part of yourself. Some that you’re not very familiar with or some that are unconscious, but that they all represent a part of yourself. One exercise that I really enjoy doing with my couples is
a yes, no, maybe list, which is really, I’m sure you know, like a big inventory of all different kinds of sexual acts of fantasies and having people A, just see a visual or a kind of index of all of the different possibilities or, you know, I try to get as large of a list as I can and just to go through and
write yes if it’s something you’d be interested in, no if it’s an absolute, know, off the table, no, a maybe. But then I also have a category for in fantasy, which is just the idea of it is exciting. It doesn’t mean you ever have to do it, but there’s something about the idea of it that’s interesting and exciting. In part to just expose people to the…
the massive range of fantasies that are out there that people have from the very mild, sensual, tame, acceptable to the really wild transgressive taboo based. And typically what I find is that people will say like, that’s interesting. Yeah, I guess I’ve sort of had that before. Like just seeing it on paper.
gives them permission almost to say, yeah, I guess I thought about that or I had a doctor once who was attractive and I kind of enjoyed going to see him or whatever it is.
Laurie Watson, PhD (24:58.478)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (25:02.964)
yeah, my cardiologist, he was hot.
Juliane Maxwald (25:05.047)
Alright.
Laurie Watson, PhD (25:08.908)
You know, I think that fantasy is also a place kind of in that category as you speak about it, it’s a place where like the no-go zone and another person’s real desire, it could live in fantasy for them and be…
maybe not ultimately as satisfying to the person who wants to do an act or something that the other does. Absolutely not. But if they had a category of fantasy where, OK, they could talk about it, they could understand the energy about it, the excitement that they felt without kind of the threat of, OK, if I go there with you and understand you in this way, then I’m going to be required to do something that
I don’t want to, I think would be painful, immoral, transgressive, whatever. That could be one place that things could live between a couple that can kind of bridge the place of, I don’t want to do that, and I desperately want to do that.
Juliane Maxwald (26:14.075)
Right, absolutely. I see that so often with couples who struggle with desire discrepancy where there is something or a mismatch libido. Typically the partner who’s not interested in engaging with it, if it can be brought into fantasy in the therapy, if it can be talked about just as a playful experience,
and removed from the threat of we actually have to do this, it really can open things up so much. mean, I think that’s when we talk about like the withdraw, the pursuer withdraw cycle. So much of it really is about slowing that cycle down and pulling it apart and seeing really like what are the ingredients that fuel this cycle and how can we.
shift them, how can we normalize them, how can we take some of the automatic energy out of it and see it for what it is.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:15.98)
Right, right. How do you as a psychoanalyst kind of slow that cycle down? I’m curious compared to maybe what I would do as an EFT therapist.
Juliane Maxwald (27:22.323)
Mm-hmm.
Juliane Maxwald (27:26.055)
Yeah, well, I think for me, so much of psychoanalysis is such a slow process. it’s, know, I trained in psychoanalysis for a decade. So there’s something about just the slowness of it, but but not just the slowness of it, but the curiosity, like, you’re really exploring what something means. You can, you’re very
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:33.262)
That is for sure.
Juliane Maxwald (27:53.531)
you know, you’re not in a rush to sort of jump to conclusions or to understand something. And so you’re really exploring something, not only what it means to that person, but then also what the experience of the other partner is hearing what their partner is talking about. So really slowing it down. And I mean, I find particularly with high conflict couples,
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:58.318)
Mm-hmm.
Juliane Maxwald (28:20.817)
I write about a couple in my book, like a high conflict couple. Oftentimes you’re just being a referee sometimes for a solid three months, six months, nine months. And you’re really just jumping in there and stopping the automatic negative cycle and slowing it down. And I’ll say to the person, don’t talk to your partner, just talk to me. You and I are going to have a conversation. And so just creating this frame where things are very slow.
We’re not gonna let the cycle take effect here. We’re going to really break everything down. I find just creating that frame in and of itself is essential. I not only helpful, but essential.
Laurie Watson, PhD (29:06.316)
Yeah, beautiful. We have a lot in common. We do that in EFT as well. That is awesome.
Juliane Maxwald (29:10.891)
Yeah, well, how do you I’m curious to hear like, how do you how do you do that? How do you slow the cycle down?
Laurie Watson, PhD (29:17.91)
Very, very similarly, you know, having the person direct the conversation to me instead of to each other because I’m more neutral, I can hear it better. I think often validating the person as they talked to me about their perspective in the same kind of moment, hanging on to that the other has a completely different perspective, maybe by little quick acknowledgments of that, like, look at, I know what your partner is saying, maybe…
really difficult to hear. I’m going to come to you in a minute. want to hear your perspective too. Basically, think honoring the fact that there are two truths that are being represented, two points of view that both can have air given to. And I can tolerate, I think myself as the instrument can tolerate two different things that sound contradictory.
And as I can tolerate that, it allows them to begin to tolerate each other a little bit better. It’s like, oh, that didn’t freak Laurie out. OK, well, maybe there’s something here. Maybe I can listen to my partner a little bit more and things like that, think. Yeah, techniques. Yeah. And we move in EFT probably a little quicker than in psychoanalysis to having the couple distill.
Juliane Maxwald (30:31.015)
Right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Laurie Watson, PhD (30:44.898)
their emotional experience in a way that is kind of without blame, without an edge, and then sharing that with their partners so that they start to have an experience in the room of sharing these vulnerable experiences. And then if the partner can’t receive that, you kind of do some damage control and help them mold it so they maybe can take a little bit of it in. So it’s a bit of back and forth.
Juliane Maxwald (31:13.605)
Right, right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (31:13.676)
Yeah, I will say, you know, EFT changed my work completely. just, yeah, completely changed my work. It was an amazing gift. But I think coming from a psychoanalytic, psychodynamic background, you know, I still feel with you about the attachment, styles, the family of origin, history, trauma, both, you know,
Juliane Maxwald (31:21.86)
All
Laurie Watson, PhD (31:39.97)
like early trauma that is unspoken, know, before we’re verbal and, you know, we’re receiving messages in from our parents just through our bodies, right? And that’s so important in our sexual experience because our bodies are the instrument in our sexual adult relationship, you know, and how all that goes. So, yeah, I am concerned about both things.
Juliane Maxwald (32:00.776)
Right.
Right, absolutely. mean, we work in very, very similar ways, like being that bridge between two different realities, two different subjective experiences, and being the translator in a way for translating in a way one person’s experience to the other and helping them really just understand, gain some
gain some perspective outside of their reaction to what’s happening, what’s going on. And I talk a lot in the work that I do with couples about their nervous systems. for me, that’s really the somatic piece is that I’m also paying attention to somebody’s somatic reaction. And so, if I’m noticing somebody’s body language shifting, I’m also.
kind of pausing things and asking about it, like what’s happening in your body right now, and trying to give room to talk about that, because I find often what’s happening in their body also happens to their body in sex. Like if somebody’s shutting down in the session and I’m kind of pausing and asking to talk about that, making that link to, does this happen sexually for you as well?
can help them begin to just pay attention to their body outside of sex, but just notice the fluctuations and the movement and the tension increases and decreases.
Laurie Watson, PhD (33:36.686)
You’re really helping them understand.
the emotional self, both what is the somatic piece of it, their feelings, all of that, helping them make sense of that. We have also noticed that in many couples, kind of that fight or flight response, the pursue withdraw is crisscrossed. So maybe one person feels fight and pushing, you know, their need to get across to their partner in the emotional cycle,
but then they’re withdrawing in the sexual cycle and vice versa. So I see it sometimes both ways.
Juliane Maxwald (34:16.007)
Yes.
Juliane Maxwald (34:19.579)
Yes, 100%. I feel like in order to really do this work, you have to enjoy puzzles. You have to enjoy like putting puzzle pieces together and really trying to figure out complex systems.
Laurie Watson, PhD (34:31.95)
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes, I so agree with you. And that was, I was actually a software hardware analyst on the B2 bomber. I worked on the B2 long ago and
Juliane Maxwald (34:50.75)
wow.
Laurie Watson, PhD (34:51.912)
That was my other career. but people say, how are these two things related? And I said, it’s like a puzzle. They were both they’re both bug finding. They’re both trying to understand what does and doesn’t work. Where are the puzzle pieces that help the system work more efficiently or what’s breaking the system? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Very nice.
Juliane Maxwald (35:13.277)
Right. I love that. Yeah, I love that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (35:18.796)
Well, Julianne, thank you so much for being with me today and sharing about your new book, Psychoanalytic Sex Therapy, Exploring the Unconscious Life of Sexuality. And that is found everywhere, Amazon. This is the first edition and it came out this year. So you can…
If you have a little extra time over the holidays to start reading about a deeper way to understand the forces that shape our sexual lives, this would be a great place for clinicians to begin. And I imagine there’s a few very curious clients and just people out there who are also interested in exploring their own unconscious and would find this book very relevant.
Juliane Maxwald (36:03.357)
Yes, absolutely. And I actually have a companion book. It’s an ebook that’s available on my website. Yes, that one’s called Talking About Sex and it’s really geared for couples, individuals, anyone who wants to just understand their relationship to their own sexuality better. And…
Laurie Watson, PhD (36:08.533)
nice.
Laurie Watson, PhD (36:22.606)
Beautiful. Where do they find, where do people find you? Where do they find that book?
Juliane Maxwald (36:27.057)
Yes. So that ebook is available on my website, is www.JulianneMaxwell.co.
Laurie Watson, PhD (36:31.735)
Okay.
Laurie Watson, PhD (36:36.364)
Okay, okay.co, not.com, I know. Okay, juliannemaxwell.co. It’s a downloadable ebook that you can get there that can help you learn better how to talk about sex. And it’s a companion book to this book if you would like. Is that right? Okay.
Juliane Maxwald (36:45.747)
Thank
Juliane Maxwald (36:51.218)
Yes.
Juliane Maxwald (36:54.651)
Yes, exactly. It’s right. It’s I mean, they’re kind of separate, but it was it really I wrote the book for clinicians psychoanalytic sex therapy. And then I thought I really need to write something for for clients for people in general who just want practical tools like how to decipher, you know, the more clinical theoretical stuff into just easy to use kind of tools. So this was yeah, this was this is what came.
Laurie Watson, PhD (37:19.554)
Nice.
It’s such important work. So important. Thank you so much for being with us. Okay, y’all. Thanks for listening. Keep it hot.
Juliane Maxwald (37:28.881)
Yeah, was great to be here.
Laurie Watson, PhD (37:37.134)
Great.
