In today’s episode, we are focusing on tending to the ‘Ghost of Christmas Present’ so the ‘Ghost of Christmas Future’ can reap the relational benefits!
Join our experts, Dr. Laurie and George Faller, hosts of the newly branded Brave Love, Great Sex podcast for this fun episode on resolution and renewal.
Our hosts use an example of their role play couple, Joey and Maria to illustrate just what it looks like when the negative cycle is cooled off and they have a better way to move forward. In this stage repair is easily initiated and partners can move forward from conflict in a more positive way.
George and Laurie share some active ways couples can continue to strengthen connection and intimacy at this time. This looks like identifying triggers, planning time to connect during busy periods, sharing small moments like morning coffees or kisses goodbye, being explicit with appreciation. We hold out for couples stuck in negative cycles that this place of connection does exist!
As the New Year approaches, this is a perfect time to consider what relationship resolutions to set and how to renew and refresh as you step into 2026.
Transcript
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:01.347)
Okay, George, we got some people who are all healed up and we want to show what the holidays look like post EFT, post couples therapy, post healing of the sexual cycle, right?
George (00:15.458)
to the honeymoon phase. do it, Laurie.
Laurie Watson, PhD (00:17.817)
the ghost of Christmas present. Okay, well, we want to remind you we have our new name, which is Brave Love Great Sex. Same old George and Lori. Thank you for sticking with us. We’re so glad that you’re here with us. First of the year, we’re going to actually switch on Apple. So you’ll see our new name. Please know that it’s us. And please share with people. I was talking to some folks yesterday, George.
who said, you know, I could share that podcast a little more easily than I can share foreplay. Foreplay was just, you know, an in your face kind of name, I think. And we’re hoping again that brave love, great sex encompasses more fully what we’re talking about, the vulnerability, right, that is essential for long-term relationship, the brave love that we need. And we need brave love, both emotionally and sexually. To have great sex, you have to be vulnerable.
George (01:17.846)
So we truly do need your support getting the word out there because a lot of our listeners maybe looking for foreplay or still passing out for play and you know, it’s Hopefully it creates some excitement. It makes it easier for people at our listeners But you know keep it to themselves to say let me let me share this with some of my friends. We need the support
Laurie Watson, PhD (01:29.211)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (01:34.959)
Right.
Right. And our new icon is going to be the heart on fire. So one side is going to be a heart and the other is going to be a flaming heart, which is representative of desire is what we’re thinking of it as. just want to say thank TJ Mwalsh for that icon and for his artwork on that. Appreciate it so much. Yeah. OK, great. He’s another EFT buddy who also is big in the arts. my gosh.
George (01:59.502)
Nice job, Timmy. All right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (02:07.533)
If you’re an artist, you need to follow TJ Walsh. And I need to put his link on our episode, but thanks so much. Okay, let’s talk about the ghost of Christmas present. When people are all healed up, what does it look like?
George (02:15.342)
Yes.
George (02:23.522)
And we’re talking about Joey and Maria. Joey and Maria are our avatars, right, in the book that represent the thousands of couples we’ve worked with. know, regardless of sexual orientation, religion, background, you know, we all share these common attachment needs. And Joey and were our attempt to just try to have this conversation that all of us have on some form or other,
Laurie Watson, PhD (02:29.166)
Yes they are.
Laurie Watson, PhD (02:47.929)
Yeah, exactly. And we got to say this every week too, right? Our book is coming out in 2026. Brave Love, Great Sex, same name. That’s partly why we changed our name so that we could all match up. But definitely think about that for the fall of 2026. So Joey and Maria are kind of the couple that we follow. We chose them.
George (03:07.991)
Yes.
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:14.383)
They’re snippets of real clients, but things that we saw so much in common and what people struggle with that we’ve all struggled with in the sexual cycle and the emotional cycle. You know, the ghost of Christmas past would have been her kind of feeling alone and stressed out doing so much work. She would have been feeling sexually inadequate and he would have been feeling what, G?
George (03:38.754)
He would have been feeling rejected to bait and switch this relationship he thought he was going to have. It disappeared. He turned into a shell of what they once had, you know, constantly feeling frustrated and, then not wanting to talk and her feeling rejected emotionally outside the bedroom. And, know, this, this, this negative cyclone, both emotionally and sexually was really creating so much distance and mistrust that they, know, they were both in some bad places.
Laurie Watson, PhD (03:48.357)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (04:06.969)
Right. And he’s shutting down, right? Feeling like he’s not enough that all he hears from her is criticism. So it’s Christmas morning, classic holiday fight. She’s overwhelmed. She’s like, why am I doing everything? Joey’s withdrawn. He’s shut down. He feels criticized. And Christmas morning looks a little bit cold, right? No intimacy, like an emotional hangover. Everybody’s done that been there, unfortunately.
George (04:36.331)
Yeah. The fireplace is on, but it’s not helping thaw that cold.
Laurie Watson, PhD (04:40.827)
No, it’s not on in their hearts. So EFT, which is emotionally focused therapy and how we work and how we help couples, it’s like really, we gotta help people see the negative cycle, right? And start instead of doing the thing that feels so instinctual, which is really a fight or flight response, the pursuer withdraw response.
We want them to learn how to share vulnerable emotions, the brave sharing of their tenderness with each other.
George (05:14.997)
Yeah, it sounds simple. need a clear target. It’s harder to do when you have decades of muscle memory, but really you got to resist the urge to protect yourself and actually listen to the hurt, the threat underneath that. Cause that’s the place normally people don’t communicate. That’s what we’re calling the vulnerability. You don’t like that word? Find whatever word you want, but the beauty in listening to the hurt or the fear or the
Laurie Watson, PhD (05:25.775)
Mm-hmm.
George (05:39.777)
inadequacy, whatever it is, is that that’s actually where we need help the most. It’s where we need co-regulation. It’s where we need the people we love to come closer. That how our body experiences threat in relationship with somebody else is qualitatively so different than isolation and alone. So couples who learn how to ask for help in these places, it’s a game changer.
Laurie Watson, PhD (06:01.089)
Exactly. And I think that Joey and Maria were a crisscross system. Like he pursued sexually and she pursued emotionally. She wanted help and support and sharing of both the load and of her emotions. And he wanted, you know, hot sex and excitement and things like that. And so he pushed for that. She pushed for sharing.
But the other ones seemed to withdraw in the same cycle. So it was like, it was just a train wreck, right? That they, you know, each one had a sense of being frustrated. I’m pushing for something that seems to be the good of the relationship that will make us a team, that will make us partner together and life will work better. And the other one, the more they push, the more they shut down. And they kind of were contingent. Like if you give me what I…
need, then I can more easily give you what you need, which so many couples say, you know, I’m willing to do my part, but my partner has got to do their part too.
George (07:07.842)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (07:11.803)
And I mean, ultimately, they do need to do their part eventually, somebody’s going to start this gig, right? Somebody’s got to what? Go ahead.
George (07:18.786)
And that was the work that they did, right? That’s the good news. If you could identify these cycles, these feedback loops that lead both of you to be alone and frustrated and filled with resentment, if you could identify patterns, you can change them. And that’s the work Joey and Maria did. They created positive cycles.
they learn to turn towards each other and say, know, when you say that, you know, it doesn’t feel so great. I trust you have good reasons, but actually I go to a bad place. Can you help me? that ability to ask for help starts to lead to what we call positive cycles, right? Secure attachment, distrust that, you know, it’s easy to love when everything’s going well. It’s when we step on each other’s toes and that ability to repair. That’s the critical factor couples have to learn how to do.
And that’s what Joey and Maria learned out of it too. It’s not like they’re never going to have a negative cycle again. It’s just what it happens. They can have a conversation afterwards, get back on the same page, get back into that kind of safe, secure attachment.
Laurie Watson, PhD (08:20.367)
Yeah, exactly. And I think that the hope comes when we learn what we can do instead that changes the cycle, right? I mean, we feel so vulnerable to do the thing that our partner is asking for. I think the deep fear inside all of us is, be used. I’ll give my partner what they want, what they need, and they won’t.
think past that. They won’t think about my needs. But it turns out that actually once the cycle loosens up, our partner has more space to think about our needs. But it’s really hard to go first. I always think about it like it’s either when you give your partner something that they want, they can doubt.
that more is coming. they feel like, well, that’s just a drop in the bucket of all you owe me. Or your partner can look at it and go, OK, that’s rain on the field. That’s the first drop of the rain that is going to come and give us what we need in order to have a harvest of love. Rain is coming. And so it’s really hard to be that first drop in the bucket, because our partner may say, it’s not enough. If you’re
a sexual withdraw, which again, for all our listeners, our new listeners, that doesn’t mean that you don’t like sex. means that under stress, you’re the one who’s pulling back. And if you’re an emotional withdraw, that doesn’t mean that you don’t have needs to be loved, to be understood, to be cared about. But maybe from childhood you learned it’s not really safe to put those needs out there, so you hold back.
George (10:01.806)
Mm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (10:11.001)
But, all to say that we need to put those needs forward. We need to come forward with our fears, our vulnerable need, ask our partner, and we need to change. So maybe it’s the sexual withdraw who says, okay, I’m gonna muster the courage to figure out what I need to turn on, and I’m going to initiate. Maybe it’s once at a blue moon, that’s okay, but I’m going to do something. And that actually changes our body.
and our hearts when we make a new move like that. Or maybe it’s the emotional withdraw who says, you know, my partner is always begging for time together. I’m going to, you know, I’m going to get a hotel. We’re going to go to dinner. We’re going to stay all night. We’re going to talk secrets. We’re going to share, you know, something. Maybe it’s those cards. like the there’s all kinds of people who sell cards these days that increase conversation. You know, maybe they do that for an evening.
George (11:07.138)
Yeah. I really appreciate how Joey and Maria got very clear on the mission, right? They got more tactical in their communication. They recognize, all right, who’s the person sharing and who’s the person’s role is to give caregiving. And they really started to give each other consistent doses of caregiving instead of bolting and protesting and not getting it at the same time. Right? So they’ve done a lot of work to earn the safety of this Christmas, right? And.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:30.564)
Yeah.
George (11:37.007)
This new year is, has all these opportunities. love your, your metaphor of the drops of rain, you know, on the, that’s on the field, right? It’s a great imagery, right? But we want to be intentional. Like we don’t want to do all this work to get to the place, right? We’re there at the promised land. They’re feeling kind of this love that’s strong and flexible again. And it’s exciting, right? But if they just
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:44.419)
on the field. Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (11:50.17)
Yeah.
George (12:01.026)
go back to take it for granted, they’re going to find themselves right back. And we all find slip back into kind of places, which is fine. It’s part of the life. But this is really about what are they going to do in 2026? That’s going to be different. That’s going to hold onto the vibrancy of all that they’ve worked for.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:04.624)
Right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:08.026)
Right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:15.556)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:19.099)
Right, exactly. And I think what they do is first of all, they know their cycle and they know what they’re gonna do. They name their cycle. Don’t you have a Christmas cycle that is called California or something when you go to California? So they, ah! Oh no! Yeah, okay, and they protect themselves from family triggers, right? Because the holidays are all about family and we can get really triggered by our family of origin and our children and.
George (12:25.496)
to repair.
George (12:29.516)
Yep. Yep. We’ll go to California on Sunday. It’s probably coming for us again. So we’re ready for it.
Laurie Watson, PhD (12:48.685)
everything else, they talk about sex ahead of time, they make a plan, right? We know Christmas is busy, how do we stay sexy during Christmas? And they sort of make an agreement, they’re talking, right? This is past stage one and stage two, this is stage three in EFT where it’s pretty tactical and behavioral. They agree, like, let’s be more affectionate or have one night of a quiet night where we’re not.
watching television, we’re just sitting talking by the fire. We don’t even have to, you know, talk about something deep. We can just be together, you know, and she can express her fears about getting aroused and, you know, how like how she worries about that. And he can say, you know, it’s OK, I want you slow is good. We’ll find our way through. I mean, I think that sexual repair is in process at this point.
George (13:45.465)
being proactive. Kathy, you listen to it. Just because we’re busy in California doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have a plan. And I like the idea of talking about this plan on the plane so the person sitting next to us can be like, what the hell are these two people doing?
Laurie Watson, PhD (13:47.119)
You’re being proactive.
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:00.195)
They’re all jealous. It’s like this couple, must be newlyweds talking about sex. Yeah. I’m sure Cathy is going to be really up for that. Yeah. Okay.
George (14:09.014)
All right, let’s come back and talk about some practical things.
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:16.665)
Y’all have to get away. Hotel. Away from the mother-in-laws for just one afternoon. Trust me on this, G.
George (14:26.392)
You make it a plan, you know, to sex explore. It’s try new things. mean, I do think this is part of New Year’s resolutions, right? Just trying to build in structure, kind of giving up things that aren’t so healthy. The distractions, maybe you need to put the telephone away from your bedroom. You know, maybe there are definitely things that breaks that we always talk about. How do you release some of those breaks? And how do you be more intentional about growth?
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:32.002)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (14:54.767)
Yeah.
George (14:55.83)
about excitement, about those sex explorations.
Laurie Watson, PhD (15:00.495)
Yeah. And if I know most women at Christmas who often do do more of the Christmas machine share of the work, George. this is a perpetual. We’re going to get into our cycle for sure. George is like happy for.
George (15:10.38)
because they want to. We’re going to get into our cycle here. Lori wants to run around a chicken went out ahead to create this amazing atmosphere that is totally beautiful. Well, I just want to sit back, order a pizza, watch some football games and chat and enjoy. But there’s no right or wrong. This is the guy girl thing sometimes, right?
Laurie Watson, PhD (15:32.141)
I don’t think it’s a guy-girl thing, just for the record. That’s not my metaphor, but I think it is. Okay, you know, yeah, maybe more women are taking on stuff. So how do we get out of that resentment to even think about sex, I would say? First of all, if you can afford it, hire out a lot. I have somebody who comes and takes down my tree. So they take all the ornaments off and they…
you know, they organize all the ornaments that I can put in storage. So I like to put it up. I don’t like to take it down. That is relief. I also have people like my daughter-in-law is coming today. We’re making lefse. I’m Norwegian. So she’s helping me make this flatbread that we make for Christmas, cinnamon sugar and potato. It’s potato tortillas, essentially. And we’re making our cookies together and all that. that Cathy has something to look forward to when she has daughter-in-law’s to help.
George (16:14.807)
Nice.
George (16:26.296)
Nice. Nice.
Laurie Watson, PhD (16:26.309)
with all that kind of stuff, yeah, exactly. And my sons, I taught my sons to cook too, so they’re all participating in the meal, bringing a dish, so that helps a lot too.
George (16:36.366)
Yeah. Well, that’s that commitment to a process, right? That you’re, you know, Derek’s trying to join you more right in the Christmas spirit. I know if I think for the person who withdraws and whatever, sexually or emotionally, like, how do you engage more? Like, how do I find, sometimes I want to make a comment where my wife makes the perfect wrapping when there’s like a hundred gifts and they all perfectly wrapped with bows. And I’m like,
Laurie Watson, PhD (16:50.276)
Yeah.
Laurie Watson, PhD (16:56.197)
Yeah.
George (17:04.77)
The time that that takes where I just wrap them up quick and like, just have two very different ways of coming at it. But you know, how do I stay in my kid given role and say that you’re willing to do that to make something look beautiful, to take the time to sacrifice. mean, it’s such a loving thing to do.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:21.793)
It is such a loving thing to do. And your wife’s home at Christmas is amazing. That’s my favorite time of year to visit you guys. Can I come up this weekend? wait, you’re already going. Never mind. Yeah, I love all the things she does for Christmas. So beautiful. But.
George (17:29.902)
You’re always welcome.
George (17:36.504)
Well, Laurie’s house is the same. They’re like two kindred spirits when it comes to that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (17:41.071)
When it comes to Christmas, yes we are. Absolutely. Two California girls living on the East Coast.
George (17:46.489)
But what about other areas of New Year’s resolutions that couples can make to just be intentional? Like this is Joey and Maria have done all this work. They need to continue to keep it on their radar, right? Both the emotional and the sexual cycle. We talk a lot about attachment rituals, right? Doing little things during the week that remind each other how important you are.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:05.613)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
George (18:13.346)
little Martin coffees, little letter writing, hugs, goodbye, hello, like these things become important.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:21.465)
Yeah, exactly. Affection, you know.
George (18:22.476)
What do you think might be affection? What do you think my New Year’s resolution, Joey and Maria might do?
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:29.241)
Yeah, I think that.
Laurie Watson, PhD (18:39.855)
Right, I think what you’re talking about is having intimacy be sort of simmering, right, at a lower level, just so that when the moment does strike, it isn’t the first time they’ve touched. know, I think that that, frankly, I think that should be all year long, and it’s a great New Year’s resolution. Like, how do we put more affection in our life? That has been my husband and my strength.
We were very affectionate. We hug a lot, touch a lot. I’m a touchy person. Touch, touch, touch, touch, touch. I like all that. So I think too that they need to have an intimate night getaway every quarter. This is what Joey and Maria decided, that once a quarter, they were gonna just have one night where they went to a hotel. Not necessarily spend the night, but that they could.
like renew their intimacy, lots of time.
George (19:41.614)
Why would they not spend the night?
Laurie Watson, PhD (19:45.487)
Well, it always depended, right? I mean, it depended on the babysitting situation, who they trusted, all that kind of stuff. But spending the night, sounds like it’s not essential to have sex. You don’t have to spend the night in a hotel to have sex in a hotel, right? That gives you the space. I mean, it would be lovely to spend the night too, but sometimes people, different stages of life can’t get that done.
George (20:14.968)
like it. Joey Maria also committed towards growth and development. know, the read, share, share reading a book together on new ideas or exploring themselves better. You know, we age and how things change, but to continue to keep it on the radar screen. Like this is an ongoing process. It’s not something you just succeed and you’re done.
You got to invest in it and continue to invest the rest of your lives.
Laurie Watson, PhD (20:43.481)
Right. Right, exactly. And they knew they needed weekly time together. So, you know, Friday night, they were dead. They didn’t want to go out on Friday night because they were both working and the kids. And not to mention that Saturday morning early were kids sports, you know, so that wasn’t a good night. Saturday night, they were tired too and they had social events with friends and things like that that they wanted to attend. So they figured out that for them,
George (21:01.378)
games, right?
Laurie Watson, PhD (21:13.071)
breakfast once a week on Sunday morning was what worked. And I know a lot of people are churchgoers, so that doesn’t work. But what would you suggest if you’re a churchgoer and you need to and you got kids win sports and all that, when can they get together?
George (21:27.95)
A little Sunday afternoon after church and people go back and just get ready for the week. You know, that’s a good time. Usually take naps. Not a bad time. And Saturday night’s not bad too. You know, Saturday night you might be out with friends, have a glass of wine, get home a little early. You could have a good time.
Laurie Watson, PhD (21:35.951)
Mm-hmm. Not a bad time. I had some friends who did that. Mm-hmm.
Laurie Watson, PhD (21:49.978)
Saturday night’s all right. We’re getting old, man. We’re getting old. OK, yeah, for sure. mean, that is such a problem, Yeah, nighttime not as good for me anymore. I’ve to be morning. So I’m all about breakfast.
George (21:51.651)
Saturday night, we’re not. Especially when you go to the early bird dinners at 430, so give yourself time.
George (22:13.474)
Well, you make that adjustment. That’s part of the resolution. It’s part of changing.
Laurie Watson, PhD (22:19.459)
Yeah, yeah, I used to love the night, but now I love the morning.
George (22:25.218)
That’s a bit of a turn off when you’re yawning and stuff, your partner’s yawning, every morning you got the whole day in front of you.
Laurie Watson, PhD (22:28.091)
That’s right. And plus you kind of make love in the morning and you get to get up and you feel that connection all day. I like that. You know, if you make love at night and then you go to sleep, it’s like you can wake up cranky again in the morning.
George (22:44.142)
I think Joey and Maria too were intentional, what we call bridging exercises, where once a week they would, you know, one of them would bring up something that they, it’s important they want to talk about. Even if it’s just 15 minutes and the other person would put on their caregiving hat and keep the focus on them. And like they continued to have these vulnerable conversations because, you know, that’s part of our being. And we’re either going to learn to discipline ourselves to talk about that, or it goes back underground.
Laurie Watson, PhD (22:56.335)
Yep.
Laurie Watson, PhD (23:07.002)
Right.
George (23:13.698)
leading to all those old protective moves.
Laurie Watson, PhD (23:13.999)
Right? Right. I have a son and daughter-in-law who do this religiously. They have like a monthly meeting, a clearing, and they just bring up both kind of the schedule for the month and they bring up, there anything that’s not working between us? And I’m like, you guys are so smart to do that so young, you know, because it kind of keeps the decks clear. And I love that.
George (23:41.964)
Yeah. What else? Any other New Year’s resolutions?
Laurie Watson, PhD (23:47.883)
Ooh, well I think that as we’ve talked about this issue of how do we distribute fairly kind of the load and I mean it is to me, it is easy to say well I don’t care about those things so I shouldn’t have to participate in those things. But you know how do we then honor you know what our partner cares about? You know some people it’s like.
they care about the lawn and they spend four hours out there on the lawn. I know George doesn’t care about the lawn either. He would never do that. But you know, some people do. Did you? Yeah. Did you? Were you somebody who like cared about how it looked and stuff or you just.
George (24:22.668)
I spent many years doing that, Lori. I just choose not to anymore.
George (24:32.83)
You know, it had to get done. But coming home from a 24 hour shift and no sleep and I come home and it’s like two feet tall, the grass. I’m like, God, I got to take two hours to do this. That was, that was rough.
Laurie Watson, PhD (24:35.045)
How to get done.
Laurie Watson, PhD (24:43.833)
Yeah, yeah, then you had sons to take that over. Yeah, but I mean, think also farming it out, that’s my best solution. know, whatever you can pay for, whatever you can afford. Do you know that most dry cleaners will do your laundry pound for pound? You know, if you can’t get a Christmas load done, take it over, they’ll wash it, fold it and give it back and it’s not exorbitant.
You know, there are just times when you can’t get out from underneath it. so, you know, lot of people have housekeepers and it’s like, pay just a little bit extra so that they change your sheets and they wash your refrigerator and they clean your oven. All of that, you know, can be paid for and can make you feel so much better. So.
George (25:32.143)
And a lot of couples, Joey and Maria, think they didn’t just do separate New Year’s resolutions, right? They had conversation that says, hey, I’m willing to try some things at night sexually, right? When you’re shut off your phone and that’s not in the bedroom, like both people are recognizing the importance of meeting each other’s needs. Maria needs to feel emotionally connected. The phone is a big distraction to that. His ability to protect her and honor her gives her more capacity to kind of…
being her body and try something that she normally might not, right? And that’s just being very intentional as a couple.
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:05.197)
Right. Yeah, exactly. I mean, Joey thought about like, can’t be working on emails, you know, all evening and then walk into the bedroom and go, wow, here I am. Let’s do it. It’s like, how about closing the computer, turning off the phone, sitting together? You know, I also read something, too, that some people just like being together.
George (26:17.794)
Let’s go, baby.
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:32.899)
sort of in parallel play. Maybe they’re watching a show, but they’re, you know, they’re cuddled up and it’s, it’s, you know, not necessarily deep intimate sharing, but it’s just hanging out. And sometimes you need that too. And that’s okay.
but easier to go from that.
George (26:47.598)
Joey and Maria had a, yeah, they had a fun game when they’re watching a show that if they see a couple do anything in the show, they gotta do it. So if there’s a kiss in the scene, they would have to take a moment and kiss each other. A little playful thing that they tried.
Laurie Watson, PhD (26:56.467)
Ooh, I like that. I’m gonna, that is my New Year’s resolution. Whatever we see happening in the show, we’re gonna do it. Ooh, we’re gonna watch some sexy shows for sure. That’s a great little.
George (27:12.418)
my New Year’s resolution is to turn off that computer. I hear that, but there’s always some good reason that you have to check one little last thing, you have to get this thing out, and before you know it, you’re on your computer and your father’s just sitting there.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:16.144)
Ugh.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:27.457)
Exactly, exactly.
George (27:30.016)
So whatever you want to introduce, or you want to turn off, right? This is Joey and Maria’s commitment to be intentional about the importance of their emotional bond. And it’s trying to inspire the rest of us to don’t take it for granted. Like this is why we’re here. This is the point. And if you want it to be strong, if you want it to deliver, you got to put the time and effort into it.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:32.215)
Okay.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:49.306)
Right.
Laurie Watson, PhD (27:55.225)
Right, the ghost of Christmas future is setting those intentions, right, of whatever is important and figuring it out, what do you need? Okay, well we wish you many blessings this holiday season. Whatever you are celebrating, we hold you in our hearts, we thank you for being with us, following us, and thanks for listening, y’all.
George (28:00.11)
Mmm.
George (28:20.778)
All the blessings your way. Be brave.
