Run, don’t walk to listen to today’s episode! Laurie and George lay out a transformational conversation between partners: when the sexual withdrawer begins to reenage. Re-engagement means, the sexual withdrawer is aware that something is not working, sees the negative cycle and their part in it and begins to open up to their partner about their underlying needs.
This is a pivotal conversation and can be a gamechanger for couples that have been trapped in a negative sexual cycle. Both withdrawing and pursuing partners will find value in the expert commentary laid out by our hosts.
Did you know that knowing what you need and sending clearer signals to your partner is a sign of secure attachment? For so many of us, being direct with what we want, need, like and desire has been off limits but it is a major component to secure and successful love. Join us today and drop a review of this episode so we know how we’re doing!
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Laurie Watson [00:01:54]:
Children welcome to the School of Love.
George Faller [00:01:56]:
Let’s do it. Our chance to break down the therapy process so you can do it at without a therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:02:04]:
Okay, Gee. School of Love. I have got a girlfriend who has been a sexual withdrawer for a long time and she is ready to reengage. She’s ready to heal this relationship and we got to help her. Like, what does she do?
George Faller [00:02:21]:
Let’s do it.
Laurie Watson [00:02:24]:
Welcome to Foreplay sex therapy. I’m Dr. Lori Watson, your sex therapist.
George Faller [00:02:29]:
And I’m George Fowler, your couples therapist.
Laurie Watson [00:02:31]:
We are here to talk about sex.
George Faller [00:02:33]:
Our mission is to help couples talk about sex in ways that incorporate their Body, their mind and their hearts.
Laurie Watson [00:02:41]:
And we have a little bit of fun doing it, right?
George Faller [00:02:43]:
G, listen and let’s change some relationships, okay?
Laurie Watson [00:02:47]:
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George Faller [00:02:54]:
Fourplaysextherapy.Com that retreat with yours pursue is you’re going to get something out of it, increase those levels of engagement, right? Is that the key to any relationship success, Laurie?
Laurie Watson [00:03:08]:
Absolutely. You need to talk about it. And we got a whole structured day to talk about it. Okay? So my girlfriend, they’ve been married for like 22 years and we’ve been talking on our walks and she’s kind of saying, look it, what do I do now? Okay, you’ve convinced me. Sex is important. You know, I, I know I haven’t seen this all the time. I’ve been so busy with the children, yada, yada. But I realize our marriage is fraying somewhat.
Laurie Watson [00:03:41]:
So help me, Laurie. And so now we gotta help her. George, what are the two parts, I guess, that we want her to do?
George Faller [00:03:50]:
Well, let’s, let’s put this in the school of love where we are in this process, right, that this couple has already identified. She recognizes the negative cycles that she falls into with her partner, right? Emotionally, where she tends to be the one who kind of pushes for conversation and he’s the one who tends to pull away. And sexually they reverse roles, right? And he’s the one that initiates. That’s his love language. And she don’t feel super connected and she pulls away. So they, they’ve made progress, understanding their cycles. And that the first step is you have understand what’s not working, what these negative patterns are. And once you’re able to identify that and work together, right, it sets the stage for this most important part, which is, all right, how do we create positive cycles to replace those negative cycles? So she’s taking that first step.
George Faller [00:04:38]:
She’s trying. She. She sees the value in re engaging, right? For herself, right?
Laurie Watson [00:04:43]:
She definitely knows what’s not working, right? You know, tired of this, this not working.
George Faller [00:04:49]:
And last time we talked about how the emotional withdrawer needs to see the value in facing these parts of themselves, these vulnerabilities, these fears, instead of just taking space and avoiding it. Well, guess what? This week we’re going to talk about how these sexual withdrawers need to do the same thing. They need to. It’s counterintuitive to see the value in facing the fears and the hurts. You know, when they roll over when they say no, when they don’t want to. Like, they just want to get away from those feelings. And now at this point, because they understand cycles, they’re seeing the wisdom. All right, let’s.
George Faller [00:05:23]:
Let’s do the tough work of listening what is happening right before I roll over and say no. Like, that’s actually a pretty important place. Right. These are the breaks that are stopping. Nobody wants to have sex when sex is. Feels bad, it’s pressured. You know, you’re going to feel like you disappointed your partner. I mean, all those big feelings getting in the way of that person accessing their sexuality.
George Faller [00:05:46]:
So that’s really what we’re focusing on here now. So if we go back to your friend, she’s on that walk, she’s already starting to kind of get curious about what’s stopping her kind of sexual engagement. So what does she say on the walk? Like, what happens to her when her husband reaches out, when he initiates?
Laurie Watson [00:06:07]:
Yeah, I mean, a lot of times he wants sex when he’s stressed. And maybe it’s, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night when she’s got to get up in the morning with the kids. And so it probably means a quickie. And she’s like, you know, she doesn’t respond that well to a quickie. She doesn’t get that turned on. So it’s kind of a chore to her, you know, like, okay, I just have to meet his needs. And, you know, sometimes she just feels like he’s not getting how her body works. And.
Laurie Watson [00:06:41]:
And I would say the other thing is, is, you know, this has been a difficult time. She’s. She’s feeling a lot of difficulty with arousal, and. And she doesn’t get aroused as easily as she did when they were dating. So, you know, he’s brought that up a number of times. Like, what’s so different? What’s changed? You know, we’re kind of doing the same thing. So she starts to feel like, yeah, you know, maybe there is something wrong with me. And she’s talked to her gynecologist, all that, but there doesn’t appear to be anything wrong, but it’s different.
Laurie Watson [00:07:11]:
And so then she starts to worry, like, okay, am I approaching menopause? Like, you know, she starts to get anxious, and all of that kind of grips her when he asks. And so she. She doesn’t actually say no. She just will say something like, well, maybe we’ll see. But in her heart, she means, I don’t want to.
George Faller [00:07:33]:
Yeah. And she’s identifying the break. What’s Stopping her. Nobody really wants to have sex if they’re doing it for someone else. Right. If they’re. And this is so often a sexual withdrawal is focusing on pleasing and performing for their partner all the time. And in focusing on the other, they lose the self.
George Faller [00:07:53]:
Right. They lose what they want out of the sexual act, which is the greatest driver for sex. So really starting off, connecting with that saying, yeah, no wonder why you don’t want to have sex. You know, you’re so willing to sacrifice yourself to put the needs of someone else before your own. And you’ve done that so consistently over time that you’ve lost you. You know, and. And that’s the. This is why this step of fighting for you.
George Faller [00:08:15]:
It’s an assertion of self. Right. You need to actually face this. This feeling that you’re broken, that you’re defective, that you’re a disappointment. Like all these feelings that have come naturally through sacrificing yourself through all those years.
Laurie Watson [00:08:29]:
Right. And I would agree that she has sacrificed herself. I think that she has had sex at times that she hasn’t wanted to really. But that too has kind of laid this foundation of. Of difficulty. You know, she doesn’t know anymore when she wants to. And she kind of resents the fact that he hasn’t noticed that she’s having sex when she doesn’t really want to.
George Faller [00:08:56]:
Right. Well, then that’s a big shift for. To get the partner to help blame the cycle for her low desire. It’s not something intrinsic in her. It’s something that has happened through the interactions between the. For so long. Right. That takes some pressure off her to say, you’re not broken.
George Faller [00:09:14]:
Anybody in your shoes that’s having sex with someone else for all these years starts to lose access to that desire. It’s okay. We got to help you with that pressure. We got to help you with those feelings that you’re failing or disappointing. Like if we can help her with those negative feelings, we can discharge those negative feelings. It frees up the energy to start access. And who am I sexually? What do I actually want? Which is the key to which are re. Engagement.
George Faller [00:09:38]:
Right. Having sex for themselves to. Because they want something out of it.
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Laurie Watson [00:11:14]:
Worked this out a lot. You know, we’ve been talking about this for a fair time and you know, it began with her being mad about all this, but she is starting to see that it’s a cycle and she knows she plays a part in it. If anything, with her lack of directness, you know, about what she’s feeling on the inside. And so she’s ready, she’s ready to talk with him to say kind of what goes on inside her. And I think she’s ready too, to do this second part, which is to explore her own sexual feelings and desire and figure out what she likes and what she could ask for.
George Faller [00:11:56]:
Yeah, my experience, she probably needs to forgive herself. I think that’s the big shift, right? That once you start to see it’s not her fault, it’s a cycle’s fault, it allows her to say, actually this not engaging, this not having sex sometimes is her way of trying to fight for herself. Like her body knows that this is a lot of times not a good space to put your body in a place. Even though you love the person, when your body, it can be traumatizing. Right there’s so much. Right. And. And that not wanting.
George Faller [00:12:30]:
A lot of people freeze or they say no, like to really forgive themselves for that. To say, this saved you. This was your body’s attempt to keep you, you know, whole, to hold on to yourself. Because a lot of. A lot of people think they’re going to lose themselves. They’re giving themselves away. They’re, you know, sacrificing themselves. They start to turn invisible.
George Faller [00:12:49]:
Right. And this, this saying no is a way of saying, I don’t want that. I want. Need to hold on to myself. So when. When these withdrawals can start forgiving themselves and start to see the value in such a great shift that allows that energy, they need to start exploring themselves.
Laurie Watson [00:13:07]:
So maybe we can pretend to. What she might say to her partner. You know, I think I would have her tell her partner that. Right? To say, like, you know, I know that I’ve, you know, I’ve told you no a lot. I know I’ve rejected you a lot. I know that sex is important to you. And, and actually being connected to you is important to me too. I end up oftentimes when I say no, like, I feel bad about it, and I kind of feel bad about myself too.
Laurie Watson [00:13:42]:
Right. In some ways, I really haven’t taken the space to explain to you what’s going on inside me. And then that makes me feel worse because it’s like I’m not being fully honest with you about what is living inside me. I’m just participating in this cycle with you where I say no. You get mad, but I don’t really explain myself. And then it gets worse. And I wish. I think from here on out I’m really.
Laurie Watson [00:14:13]:
I’m going to explain myself. And what happens is you ask me and I’m not ready. And somehow or another I feel like I should be ready. And then I feel really kind of like, what’s wrong with me? Like, he’s ready all the time, and I. I need all this stuff. And, and even when I get all that stuff that helps me get ready, sometimes I don’t feel anything. And it really is different than how it used to be, just like you said. But, you know, the first time you said it, I just, you know, I felt.
Laurie Watson [00:14:47]:
I felt mad. But I think underneath being mad, it was like I questioned it too. Like, what is so different? And it. It made me feel a little broken. Like, you seem to work the same way and I don’t. And I. I don’t know what’s wrong, you know, and then I started to worry Is my body changing? You know, I’m 42, but it’s like I don’t. I don’t know if I’m starting to get perimenopause and.
Laurie Watson [00:15:14]:
And then it just. It panics me because the doctor says everything is okay, but it’s really different. And I don’t know how to talk to you about that. And I know it just screws everything up between us. And then when we’re in a fight, I feel like it’s all my fault and this is a terrible place for me.
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George Faller [00:17:59]:
So picking it up. Marie is taking this risk and she’s trying to access her own sexual experience. What’s happening to her right before she says no. Right. Which is typically what you don’t do, that she’s standing up for herself in a different way, you know, and as Joey, we want to focus on that mission. Right. On. On.
George Faller [00:18:21]:
On giving her success, for standing up. So, you know, thank you, Maria, for sharing. I often think you don’t care. I don’t know. You’re struggling with so much. I don’t know. You feel so bad about yourself and that I don’t want you to feel. I want to help you, you know, I want to, you know, I.
George Faller [00:18:37]:
I know it’s something we both of us create and both of us need to change it. I’m sorry that somehow you make sense. It’s all your fault, you know, And I. I get all the years like I blamed you for. For our problems sexually, and that blame has only added more pressure to you and made it even more difficult. So I want to help take that pressure off you. I want to. I want to help you not feel so bad about yourself because I don’t think I’d want to have sex if I felt so bad about myself either.
George Faller [00:19:06]:
So I think I, you know, I want to help you there.
Laurie Watson [00:19:09]:
Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. I. This feels different than what we normally go through and, you know, I feel like you’re hearing me and that feels so good. I. I think I’ve been afraid to tell you this because it’s so complicated and, you know, and it does seem like it’s so simple for you, and I wish it were simple for me, too.
George Faller [00:19:34]:
Yeah, well, it’s. We have good reasons why we come at it from different places. You know, I’m really getting, when we talk about these emotional conversations, how hard it is for me and, like, we switch roles, it’s hard for a reason because I normally don’t have success and normally you don’t have success kind of with these things, every time you try to talk about not being in a mood and pressure, I get so angry and frustrated with you. There’s no. There’s no success for you. So again, that’s on me. I need to get better at kind of helping you when you’re challenged. We just have different challenges sometimes.
Laurie Watson [00:20:09]:
Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So basically what they’ve just cleared in this conversation is the emotional part of her re engagement. She’s told him her feelings, and he’s been incredibly responsive and kind and willing to shoulder with her the negative cycle so that they don’t get into it again. But now she needs to really take responsibility for her own sexual needs and what is missing and be able to talk about that. Right.
George Faller [00:20:43]:
But you can’t access those sexual needs when you feel broken, when you despise yourself, when you’re drowning in shame. I mean, in the sexual cycle, you need the emotional reassurance and comfort to the fears and insecurities. Right. You need to discharge some of that so the withdrawal then can see. All right, well, who am I? What does actually turn me on? We’re dealing with all these brakes that are kind of shutting down this process. And now that I’ve reduced those brakes, what are the gas pedals? Like what. And you started to see glimmers of that. Like, I need a little bit more romance.
George Faller [00:21:15]:
I need a slower process. I need to know your interest. I need a conversation. Like, there’s this whole stuff that’s needed to build a context for this sexual withdrawal for them to start accessing their desire. You know, me coming right out of the gate saying, hey, let’s have a quickie is not. It’s setting you up for failure sexually. I mean, I’m sure every once in a while it’s no big deal, but when that becomes the norm, how are you supposed to have success? And that’s okay for you to say, I need more time, I need touch, I need conversation. I need these things to get my body prime it to start waking up.
George Faller [00:21:50]:
But yes, that’s part of withdrawal re engagement. Trying to see the value in. In them fighting for their own sexuality.
Laurie Watson [00:21:56]:
Yeah, exactly. And that’s one of my favorite questions with sexual withdrawers. Coming back to Lori is like, give me an ideal. And sometimes the sexual withdrawal is sort of so loaded down and it’s been so long since they’ve even thought about that that they have a hard time answering the question. But, you know, if as a sexual withdrawer, you could figure it out a little bit, maybe not for every time But a best time, you know, or a memory of a best time when you did feel turned on, when you did actually want to do it. Not necessarily you wanted him and you asked him, but just maybe he asked you. But there was something about the time that really worked for her. And yeah, this woman, she has a good sense of humor.
Laurie Watson [00:22:50]:
She’s playful. And that’s what she kind of said is she said, you know, when she and her husband are in that playful mood and they’re joking with each other, it’s like she feels more free, she feels more spontaneous, and she’s. She’s more able to engage sexually because it’s like, you know, I imagine that the. The joking is also a bit of flirting too, you know, so it’s like she’s quick and her mind is not on the drudgery of putting the kids to bed and things like that.
George Faller [00:23:24]:
Yeah, a lot of withdrawals. Feel this is selfish. Secure attachment says knowing what you need and sending direct signals is about the healthiest thing that you can do. This is where we’re trying to redirect. If they can take some of that energy that they focus all the time on pleasing their partner. Like, what do I need to do to please my partner? They need to redirect some of that to say what pleases me. Like, who am I? What turns me on sexually? Like, to see the value in standing up, saying, I need to know what that is to give my partner clearer signals so I can get more of what I want. What do I want? And that’s, you know, that’s this key towards making sex work better for them.
Laurie Watson [00:24:02]:
Right.
George Faller [00:24:03]:
You can see in your friend, she’s starting to do that. She’s starting to say, I like playfulness. Like, I do. I like, there’s something about the flirting and the goofing around. There’s a banter that I need that starts to kind of prime my system. Them.
Laurie Watson [00:24:16]:
Right, exactly. And I was kind of challenging to her as well. Like, okay, what about Thursday night? You know, if he wants a quickie on Thursday night, do you really want it? And she’s like, it’s just not going to be enough time. And so, so I, you know, she says, I say no because I. But I said, you know, that’s really good. You’re saying no for a reason. That says, my body wants a long time so that I can respond. But I don’t think he knows that you know, that that’s why you’re saying no.
Laurie Watson [00:24:50]:
He just hears the no. He doesn’t hear the what I really want is this. And she was like, you’re right. He doesn’t know that I’m not just turning down sex, but that I’m actually turning down the type of sex.
George Faller [00:25:06]:
And this is a strength of pursuers. Like when they get more direct signals, they’re willing to do the work. If you want to go on a walk beforehand, you need me to do the dishes, like whatever you need. If that sets the context, like I’m in, like it’s just, just let me know. And so many withdrawals think they’re going to hurt or offend their partner. When actually the pursuer is looking for this feedback, they want to know what’s going to get to it. They want the withdrawal to be more into it for themselves. That’s a turn on for them.
George Faller [00:25:31]:
Right. We’ll get talk about pursuers a little later. Right. But they get also so focused on the withdrawal that they don’t send clearer signals from themselves, but they tend to be very responsive, the withdrawal re engaging.
Laurie Watson [00:25:44]:
I would agree. I would totally agree. So, okay, so let’s pretend that again maybe this is Marie and Joey, that we’re counseling on the walk and Marie is telling him sort of more about her sexual needs.
George Faller [00:26:02]:
Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:26:02]:
Because that’s important when she re engages.
George Faller [00:26:05]:
The key if the emotions are comforted, there should be a openness and a curiosity. And we’re not expecting withdrawal to know who they are sexually because this has been kind of cut off all these years. But it’s just that they’re willing to explore it. That’s the key to this, this, this shift.
Laurie Watson [00:26:22]:
Yep. Okay, so I think the other thing I need to talk about is, you know, when I was on the walk with Lori, she was challenging me. Do I really tell you what goes on in me sexually? And I know sometimes I say no to the quickie, but. And it sounds like I’m saying no to sex, that I don’t like sex. But frankly, I’m not that crazy about quickies. There’s just nothing in it for me. I just can’t get aroused that quick. And so what I’m really thinking in my head is I wish we could move this to a time that we had time, you know, with the, the kids getting to bed and all that and having to get up in the morning.
Laurie Watson [00:27:06]:
It’s just like there is, there is no time in it for me. I don’t even have enough energy to think about it. I need more, both energy and time to really be responsive. And I think maybe I don’t talk about it. Much because I’m not sure where we’re going to find that. Because I look at our weekends and we’ve got soccer and the barbecues and yada yada, and so then I don’t like, pick a time. But I also just don’t tell you what’s going on inside me.
George Faller [00:27:38]:
Yeah, no, I hear you. And I don’t like obligatory sex. It’s not my favorite either. So I would much rather you want to be in a mood. Right. But my fear is there’s never a right time. Right? It’s like next week and next week and before you know it, we’ve, we’ve gone a month. So, like, how do we prioritize that? Or how do we give you the time that you do need too?
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Laurie Watson [00:28:46]:
Still the same great taste. Diet Coke make time for you time. Yeah, I think that that’s partly why I don’t say it is. Because, you know, we go through that argument of when is the right time then? And you know, I think we are so busy and maybe we’re kind of too busy, we just don’t take enough time for us alone. It’s like we have this big group of friends and they’re fun and I always want to be with them, but you know, I, I don’t really have that individual one on one time with you much. Where, where we do get into that laughy, jokey place and then, then there’s something left over where we actually have time to have sex. And privacy. I, you know, privacy is another thing.
Laurie Watson [00:29:38]:
I, I worry a lot about the kids coming in and it just, I need time. I need privacy and I need energy to really want it. And, and when I have those things, Joey, I actually do want to have sex. I know you worry that I Don’t. But. And I know this is. We’re hard pressed to get all these things to happen at the same moment, but that would make it great for me.
George Faller [00:30:04]:
Yeah, no, I hear you. And it’s okay not to have the answers to all this right now. I’m just glad we’re talking about it. I mean, I want you to have non pressured sex. And even when we schedule it, it’s like there’s always pressure because of the life we lead. And I don’t know how to get out of that. But I do want to help you. Like, I wish you could be in my body sometimes where it’s just so easy to like, want to have sex.
George Faller [00:30:30]:
It just like, it happens so quick. And I know it’s just not that way. But I want to help however I can you to kind of tap into that.
Laurie Watson [00:30:40]:
Thank you. That feels really different. And I appreciate you listening. I especially appreciate you saying, it’s okay, we don’t have the answers yet. Like that that makes me feel hopeful. Like, okay, you know, maybe together we can figure this out, how to make it a priority for me, you know, so that I get all the things I need. Not just so that you get sex, but so that I get all the things I need so that sex is good for me. And that feels really kind of more hopeful than some of our old conversations.
George Faller [00:31:11]:
Yeah.
Laurie Watson [00:31:13]:
And okay, we’re back to Laurie and George. You know, I think if this couple had that conversation and he was, I see you, you know, and he had that kind of response where he, you know, you could still feel, I will say, some of his pursuing energy, but it was like, you know, he caught himself. He came back to, oh, yeah, I’m keeping my focus on her. And I think that that especially that line of, we don’t have to understand, we don’t have to know it right now, we can figure it out together. Kind of was the sense that I got the partnership. And I think that was really good.
George Faller [00:31:50]:
Yeah. I’m expecting the Witcher not to know. They’ve never really fought for this part of themselves. If they don’t know, how the hell can the pursuant partner know the answer? Right? So you really got to sit back and say, like, we got to tolerate this space and trust the process, you know, the deep down there’ beautiful longings that if you give it to space, they’ll start to come up and we’ll talk about that in future episodes. But to not know together is very different. And not knowing a part which is typically where Witcher is always Left alone in this place that they’re willing to let your partner in and for nobody to know, but to just kind of hang out together, that. That’s a game changer.
Laurie Watson [00:32:28]:
Yeah. Yep. Okay. Sexual withdrawer coming forward. Thank you. This is brave of you. And thanks for listening.
George Faller [00:32:37]:
Keep coming forward.
Laurie Watson [00:32:39]:
So some of you are interested in our work. We want to tell you where we are, what we’re doing. First thing is our couples retreat coming up in October. Right, George?
George Faller [00:32:48]:
October 4th. Yes. Online. This is a chance to just spend a little time with your partner. We guarantee you’re going to kind of come out of that training with more things to talk about sexually.
Laurie Watson [00:32:59]:
Yep. And we’ve got an early bird special right now, so take us up on it and join us for a day of talking about sex.
George Faller [00:33:06]:
And for therapists, we have two trainings coming up. We have one in September 18 to 20 in Las Vegas, where Laurie and I will just be kind of brainstorming and really pushing the leading edges of kind of EFT and the sexual cycle. We’re excited about that. And then in January 23rd to 25th, we’re coming to Nashville in person to do three days of really kind of breaking down this process. And again, I think this should be mandatory for all therapists to just kind of have more confidence in knowing what to do and work with the sexual cycle.
Laurie Watson [00:33:38]:
Yeah, we’ve already had lots of signups for that. By the way, George, people are also taking advantage of that early bird special. You know, we want supervisors to come. We’re giving half off to the supervisors. So please join us so that we can kind of get on the same page and understand and develop EFT further. There’s going to be two days of lecture and exercises, and then a day maybe with a live and, you know, working on your tapes and your stuck places. And we’re going to go down to the honky tonk and have dinner together and have some fun.
George Faller [00:34:12]:
Have some fun.
Laurie Watson [00:34:13]:
Have some fun. Yee haw.
George Faller [00:34:15]:
Yee haw. And for all you listeners, again, if you have a community and you want Laura and I to come out and give a specialized training on sex, and again, I think this is so important for anybody seeing couples. Then, you know, reach out to us and let’s continue to spread this message. Yeehaw. Call in your questions to the foreplay question. Voicemail. Dial 833MY4PLAY. That’s 8, 3 3MY, the number 4PLAY.
George Faller [00:34:42]:
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